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	<title>Comments on: Google Counts Twitter in Some SERP Suggestions</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9041</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will be a while before the search engines nail down the correct algorithm changes to populate all the real time search items. I&#039;m sure Google and Bing racing each other on how well they display this information right now has something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will be a while before the search engines nail down the correct algorithm changes to populate all the real time search items. I&#8217;m sure Google and Bing racing each other on how well they display this information right now has something to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Weintraub</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9034</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Weintraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josef Slerka: Thanks for the slideshare presentation. it&#039;s an interesting snapshot of Twitter usage in &quot;old&quot; Eastern Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josef Slerka: Thanks for the slideshare presentation. it&#8217;s an interesting snapshot of Twitter usage in &#8220;old&#8221; Eastern Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Slerka</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9031</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef Slerka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marty Weintraub: I think that this article confirm my results from Czech Twitter data minig (Twitter as a data mining source http://www.slideshare.net/Ataxo/twitter-as-a-data-mining-source). Twitter conversations predict Google searches and that is reason why Google give Twittter topics to Google Suggestions. (I apologize, my english is not so good)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marty Weintraub: I think that this article confirm my results from Czech Twitter data minig (Twitter as a data mining source <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/Ataxo/twitter-as-a-data-mining-source" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/Ataxo/twitter-as-a-data-mining-source</a>). Twitter conversations predict Google searches and that is reason why Google give Twittter topics to Google Suggestions. (I apologize, my english is not so good)</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Weintraub</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9029</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Weintraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@udeme: I partially agree. Mining realtime data where users LOOK for realtime data yields appropriate results. Stuffing tweets in Google SERPs is of questionable value, at least to me. Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@udeme: I partially agree. Mining realtime data where users LOOK for realtime data yields appropriate results. Stuffing tweets in Google SERPs is of questionable value, at least to me. Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Weintraub</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9028</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Weintraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barb Chamberlain: First, welcome and thanks for jumping into the conversation.  I am not seeing the tweets but there could be several reasons for this. First question is, are you disabling personalized search? We&#039;re not quite clear how Google&#039;s storied personalization algorithm might affect indexed real-time search in the SERPs. I do get the feeling that you are looking at personalized results. Let me know. I have links for you to study if I&#039;m correct.

I&#039;m taking the time to do a bit of research here because you offered that you&#039;re learning. The good news is that what I&#039;m about to describe can be fixed with good ol&#039; fashioned demographic research and SEO.

In that spirit I do have one question, from one SEO person to another. Ranking #1 for &quot;sleep performance research&quot; is cool. However the query has statistically insignificant search worldwide, with no exact match searches. Only approximately 16 searches from around the world occurred at broad match and none from the USA. 

I understand that this combination of words is highly focused to the institution&#039;s mission, and therefore very valuable, with little or no associated volume (in the form of actual traffic to your site) and probably a high conversion rate for the few folks that show up on the site for this KW. Ranking for &quot;sleep performance research&quot; is also a very easy SEO thing to do, because nobody uses these words. There is little algorithmic competition. The #3 result (again make sure you&#039;re searching with personalized search turned off) is from is from 2005. Users just don&#039;t search much for &quot;sleep performance research center&quot; or even &quot;sleep performance research.&quot;

Many more folks search for terms like &quot;sleep research,&quot; over 12K in the US alone last December in just Google, or &quot;sleep study,&quot; 8100 in the USA last month. &quot;sleep disorder research&quot; clocked 140 USA searches. Since few searchers know to add the word &quot;performance&quot; to their queries, it is reasonable to assume that the &quot;performance&quot; variable is embodied in these slightly more general searches.

Washington State University Spokane does not rank, unpersonalized, for these higher-inventory searches, as your site is up against semi-formidable SEO competition like www.nhlbi.nih.gov/sleep. HOWEVER your site SHOULD have the authority to rank well and drive traffic for some of these more competitive terms and would do so with some basic SEO fixes. 

Washington State, especially given that it&#039;s part of a trusted .edu, should be an 800 LB gorilla in the sleep research space, using the words that searchers actually levy, and the site has not claimed its birthright for un-targeted SEO. Again, this would be easy to remedy. 

Thank you again for stopping by. I could not help myself as we have experience in the medical industry KW space, and we&#039;ve seen a number of instances where the institution, to the chagrin of the SEO team, chose words to represent their mission which are not advised by how users really search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barb Chamberlain: First, welcome and thanks for jumping into the conversation.  I am not seeing the tweets but there could be several reasons for this. First question is, are you disabling personalized search? We&#8217;re not quite clear how Google&#8217;s storied personalization algorithm might affect indexed real-time search in the SERPs. I do get the feeling that you are looking at personalized results. Let me know. I have links for you to study if I&#8217;m correct.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking the time to do a bit of research here because you offered that you&#8217;re learning. The good news is that what I&#8217;m about to describe can be fixed with good ol&#8217; fashioned demographic research and SEO.</p>
<p>In that spirit I do have one question, from one SEO person to another. Ranking #1 for &#8220;sleep performance research&#8221; is cool. However the query has statistically insignificant search worldwide, with no exact match searches. Only approximately 16 searches from around the world occurred at broad match and none from the USA. </p>
<p>I understand that this combination of words is highly focused to the institution&#8217;s mission, and therefore very valuable, with little or no associated volume (in the form of actual traffic to your site) and probably a high conversion rate for the few folks that show up on the site for this KW. Ranking for &#8220;sleep performance research&#8221; is also a very easy SEO thing to do, because nobody uses these words. There is little algorithmic competition. The #3 result (again make sure you&#8217;re searching with personalized search turned off) is from is from 2005. Users just don&#8217;t search much for &#8220;sleep performance research center&#8221; or even &#8220;sleep performance research.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many more folks search for terms like &#8220;sleep research,&#8221; over 12K in the US alone last December in just Google, or &#8220;sleep study,&#8221; 8100 in the USA last month. &#8220;sleep disorder research&#8221; clocked 140 USA searches. Since few searchers know to add the word &#8220;performance&#8221; to their queries, it is reasonable to assume that the &#8220;performance&#8221; variable is embodied in these slightly more general searches.</p>
<p>Washington State University Spokane does not rank, unpersonalized, for these higher-inventory searches, as your site is up against semi-formidable SEO competition like <a href="http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/sleep" rel="nofollow">http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/sleep</a>. HOWEVER your site SHOULD have the authority to rank well and drive traffic for some of these more competitive terms and would do so with some basic SEO fixes. </p>
<p>Washington State, especially given that it&#8217;s part of a trusted .edu, should be an 800 LB gorilla in the sleep research space, using the words that searchers actually levy, and the site has not claimed its birthright for un-targeted SEO. Again, this would be easy to remedy. </p>
<p>Thank you again for stopping by. I could not help myself as we have experience in the medical industry KW space, and we&#8217;ve seen a number of instances where the institution, to the chagrin of the SEO team, chose words to represent their mission which are not advised by how users really search.</p>
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		<title>By: @udeme</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9027</link>
		<dc:creator>@udeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMVHO, I suspect that merely mining real-time data in search results will yield very little meaningful data, the &quot;recency vs. relevance&quot; problem that both Google and Twitter execs are pondering still hasn&#039;t been resolved.

More value will be derived, I think, from the things that will be build atop real-time streams. Goetagged earthquake data that I came across today is a good example.

Plain ol&#039; data mining, is sure to fizzle out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMVHO, I suspect that merely mining real-time data in search results will yield very little meaningful data, the &#8220;recency vs. relevance&#8221; problem that both Google and Twitter execs are pondering still hasn&#8217;t been resolved.</p>
<p>More value will be derived, I think, from the things that will be build atop real-time streams. Goetagged earthquake data that I came across today is a good example.</p>
<p>Plain ol&#8217; data mining, is sure to fizzle out</p>
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		<title>By: Barb Chamberlain</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9026</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb Chamberlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an SEO expert--just learning about it for purposes of the communications work I do at Washington State University Spokane.

I have specific content/identity goals for the @WSUSpokane account I manage that are reflected in the words I use in the tweets. 

Running an incognito Google search on the words sleep performance research (because we have one of the top research centers on sleep and human performance, particularly how fatigue affects human decision making in regular folks who don&#039;t have some kind of sleep disorder), I get one of our tweets in the first page of results. It&#039;s at the bottom of the page, but still in the top 10. Our research center is the #1 result. Another tweet shows up on page 2.

I don&#039;t know what this means--just thought I&#039;d share since it&#039;s content that is outside the SEO world.

Since tweet streams are more and more often being fed to web pages that are themselves cached and available, I see tweet content driving search results one way or another.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an SEO expert&#8211;just learning about it for purposes of the communications work I do at Washington State University Spokane.</p>
<p>I have specific content/identity goals for the @WSUSpokane account I manage that are reflected in the words I use in the tweets. </p>
<p>Running an incognito Google search on the words sleep performance research (because we have one of the top research centers on sleep and human performance, particularly how fatigue affects human decision making in regular folks who don&#8217;t have some kind of sleep disorder), I get one of our tweets in the first page of results. It&#8217;s at the bottom of the page, but still in the top 10. Our research center is the #1 result. Another tweet shows up on page 2.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what this means&#8211;just thought I&#8217;d share since it&#8217;s content that is outside the SEO world.</p>
<p>Since tweet streams are more and more often being fed to web pages that are themselves cached and available, I see tweet content driving search results one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Weintraub</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9025</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Weintraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James: Well, well, it&#039;s nice to see you her my friend.  How cool is it that?  The Twitter rebroadcast engine model has turned out to have organic ramifications in Google SERPs!

Google will come back and say that &quot;it&#039;s a result of this&quot; or &quot;result of that.&quot; At the end of all the PR motivated chatter Twitter &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; &quot;influencing&quot; non-paid SERPs. I don&#039;t much care what mashup of  algorithmic stew caused this. It&#039;s just a howl any way one thin-slices it :). Google made that decision when they placed that realtime junk at the top of some SERPs. Funny how the much vanuted &quot;realtime web&quot; isn&#039;t allowed to be quite so real-time when the KW has lots of competition in adwords.

I think placing tweets towards the top of most Google SERPs (I personally seek as a user) doesn&#039;t do much for me. I wonder what the data says regarding who gives a rat. Suggestions at the bottom...well, OK. I could see laying tasty tidbits of ongoing conversations in the space, might provide insight...or at least entertainment to users. There might even be a separate way to monetize conversation-detail separately. 

Whether this is a temporary quirk, test, whatever...Google gets to be like the rest of us no matter how rich, mighty or powerful they&#039;ve become: Sometimes throwing shit at the wall (on purpose or by accident) yields brilliant innovation or crap-ass walls. 

Thanks for stopping by James. Always good to see you because we know you lurk. I will say this: If Google keeps this up, tools like @SEOSnack will be at the forefront of affiliate-hacks (you know who you are) moving from sticky seam to shining seam, looking for holes in the algo to spooge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James: Well, well, it&#8217;s nice to see you her my friend.  How cool is it that?  The Twitter rebroadcast engine model has turned out to have organic ramifications in Google SERPs!</p>
<p>Google will come back and say that &#8220;it&#8217;s a result of this&#8221; or &#8220;result of that.&#8221; At the end of all the PR motivated chatter Twitter <i>is</i> &#8220;influencing&#8221; non-paid SERPs. I don&#8217;t much care what mashup of  algorithmic stew caused this. It&#8217;s just a howl any way one thin-slices it <img src='http://www.aimclearblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Google made that decision when they placed that realtime junk at the top of some SERPs. Funny how the much vanuted &#8220;realtime web&#8221; isn&#8217;t allowed to be quite so real-time when the KW has lots of competition in adwords.</p>
<p>I think placing tweets towards the top of most Google SERPs (I personally seek as a user) doesn&#8217;t do much for me. I wonder what the data says regarding who gives a rat. Suggestions at the bottom&#8230;well, OK. I could see laying tasty tidbits of ongoing conversations in the space, might provide insight&#8230;or at least entertainment to users. There might even be a separate way to monetize conversation-detail separately. </p>
<p>Whether this is a temporary quirk, test, whatever&#8230;Google gets to be like the rest of us no matter how rich, mighty or powerful they&#8217;ve become: Sometimes throwing shit at the wall (on purpose or by accident) yields brilliant innovation or crap-ass walls. </p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by James. Always good to see you because we know you lurk. I will say this: If Google keeps this up, tools like @SEOSnack will be at the forefront of affiliate-hacks (you know who you are) moving from sticky seam to shining seam, looking for holes in the algo to spooge.</p>
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		<title>By: James Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9024</link>
		<dc:creator>James Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the record, it&#039;s &quot;SEO Snack&quot; 2 words. Twitter account updated to reflect that. ;)

&quot;or does Google know that SEOSnack is a rebroadcast engine or simply that it always rebroadcasts aimClear or that it always indexes aimClear associated with SEOSnack. Either way, is it still Google being influenced by Twitter in suggestions?&quot; ~Marty

In this particular instance, I think so. There are several results on SEO Snack&#039;s timeline for @aimclear. Also, I rebroadcast the twitter stream on the site. Granted, it&#039;s js rendering, but... it&#039;s pretty often that &quot;via @aimclear&quot; is in the account&#039;s timeline and it&#039;s indexed frequently.

I do agree that suggest is still a bit buggy, though. I&#039;ve seen some very odd suggestions. I&#039;m doing some playing around now to try to find some patterns, but none so far. We&#039;ll see...

~James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the record, it&#8217;s &#8220;SEO Snack&#8221; 2 words. Twitter account updated to reflect that. <img src='http://www.aimclearblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;or does Google know that SEOSnack is a rebroadcast engine or simply that it always rebroadcasts aimClear or that it always indexes aimClear associated with SEOSnack. Either way, is it still Google being influenced by Twitter in suggestions?&#8221; ~Marty</p>
<p>In this particular instance, I think so. There are several results on SEO Snack&#8217;s timeline for @aimclear. Also, I rebroadcast the twitter stream on the site. Granted, it&#8217;s js rendering, but&#8230; it&#8217;s pretty often that &#8220;via @aimclear&#8221; is in the account&#8217;s timeline and it&#8217;s indexed frequently.</p>
<p>I do agree that suggest is still a bit buggy, though. I&#8217;ve seen some very odd suggestions. I&#8217;m doing some playing around now to try to find some patterns, but none so far. We&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
<p>~James</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.aimclearblog.com/2010/01/08/google-now-counts-twitter-in-serps-suggestions/comment-page-1/#comment-9021</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieron Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael Martin

That&#039;s a good point, I&#039;m not sure how it handles the historical data, but I presume it will remain indexed. 

Twitter is still very basic in terms of the settings (and certainly privacy options), so I&#039;m sure they will be improving the way things are done in the near future. The option that you suggested would just work the same way as the current Twitter &#039;private tweets&#039; function would work in theory, because search engines would still have the historical data indexed. They would have to notify the search engines when you turned the option on, so your data was excluded I presume. Will be interesting to see how it is handled.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s a good point, I&#8217;m not sure how it handles the historical data, but I presume it will remain indexed. </p>
<p>Twitter is still very basic in terms of the settings (and certainly privacy options), so I&#8217;m sure they will be improving the way things are done in the near future. The option that you suggested would just work the same way as the current Twitter &#8216;private tweets&#8217; function would work in theory, because search engines would still have the historical data indexed. They would have to notify the search engines when you turned the option on, so your data was excluded I presume. Will be interesting to see how it is handled.</p>
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